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[Lettuceglo]

"The multidimensional self cannot act within three-dimensional reality until it materializes a portion of itself within it...It must then propel itself from this system however, through another act, another actualization on the part of itself that is three-dimensional. - Seth"

[Lettuceglo]

"Those who are born into the sme nationality, say twice consecutively, learn to speak much quicker the second time around. Some infants willl think in the language of a past life before the new language is learned." - Seth

[Lettuceglo]

SETH ON APPARITIONS, GHOSTS AND THE TRANSITION

In the case of the apparitions and ghosts mentioned (earlier), there was one main difficulty behind their situation. Even though the physical image as such had been left behind, the individuals were not able to change their focus of attention away from the physical system.
At times they are able to be perceived as pseudoimages. They are doing subconsciously what came naturally, attenpting to form, as always, their physical construction. However it is impossible for them to create a consistent solid image in your terms, for while they are still focused within your system the inner self knows well that the individual is finished with a given life situation, is out of alignment so to speak, and is therefore denied full use of its own energy.
The focus of attention cannnot be as strong as it was in physical life, hence the inability to deal with energy in those terms. The personality insists on behaving as if it were in the physical condition however, and out of habit attempts to construct a physical form. He is not imprisoned within this pseudoimage, since he forms it, but the energy used is misdirected and largely futile.
The image can be perceived at times. Contact can be made by those who are phychically aware. Now. It is obviously beneficial to learn now to change your own direction of attention away from your physical system. When this is accomplished then ligitimate firsthand experience can be gained, that is not physical in your terms.
You can glimpse other realities, and this knowledge and confidence will automatically be of benefit to you when the transition takes place. You can indeed then leave your body while still conscious, and arrive so to speak with your senses about you.
Otherwise you may have consciousness drugged or in a disintegrating state, because of the body's condition. Under those circumstances the transition is not as easy.
The full personality consciousness indeed places an additional strain upon what you may call the overall body consciousness, and prolongs the sense of pain connected with the body consciousness. Each cell, as I told you, is aware.
In a terminal illness, the personality consciousness, the I as you know it, bears down in panic upon the body consciousness when it does not understand the sate of affairs.
When the personality understands, it can indeed then will itself to leave the body in an aware state, and as it goes bless the body consciousness who has served it so well, release the ...awareness within each cell, and go on to its own transition.
There is release also, you see, for the body consciousness, which ...then changes to other forms...
If you know now that you exist independently of the body, if you have experiences within other realities and messages from them, then you need not fear leaving the body, for you can already begin to make inroads.

[Montauk Mary]

Glo, this is so much material, why not have a separate forum for the SETH Material?Thenit leaves a little bit of room for new learning material with the other two DAILY things you are adding!!!
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"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God. " The Course In Miracles

[Spiral]

Yes, I like this thread. Thank you, Mary and Glo..

[Lettuceglo]

Yes, I might do that, Mary.. I may not post Seth material in there every day, tho... Takes time to type it out, but I'll do what I can.

[Montauk Mary]

Thanks, I would prefer that!!------Some of SETH'S material would probably help us understand KR's difficulties.
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"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God. " The Course In Miracles

[Lettuceglo]

Seth says that this is something we all do.

"You form the camouflage world or appearances with the same part of you that breathes." Session 23, p.167 , The Early Sessions, Book 1 "The physical world that you recognize is made up of invisible patterns. These patterns are "plastic," in that while they exist, their final form is a matter of probabilities directed by consciousness. Your senses perceive these patterns in their own ways." Session 803, p.29 , The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events

"Emotions, instead of propelling a physical rocket, for example, send thoughts from this interior reality through the barrier between nonphysical and physical into the "objective" world -- no small feat, and one that is constantly repeated." Session 625, p.95 , The Nature of Personal Reality

"The intensity of a feeling or thought or mental image is, therefore, the important element in determining its subsequent physical materialization." Session 525, p.66, Seth Speaks

"The inner senses were always paramount in evolutionary development, being the impetus behind the physical formations; and themselves, through the use of mental enzymes, imprinting the data contained in the mental genes onto the physical camouflage material." Session 26, p.198 , The Early Sessions, Book 1

"Suggestion is no more and no less than an inner willingness and consent to allow a particular action to occur; and this consent is the trigger which sets off the subconscious mechanisms that allow you to construct inner data into physical reality." Session 68, p.215, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"A primary construction is a psychic gestalt, formed into matter by a consciousness of itself. Such a primary construction is an attempt to create, in the world of matter, a replica of the inner psychic construction of the whole self." Session 71, p.239, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Secondary physical constructions are those created by a consciousness of its conception of other consciousnesses, from data received through telepathy and other means." Session 71, p.240, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"In all cases consciousness is first, and it forms its physical constructions according to its abilities, first of all forming its own primary construction, and then brancing outward, constucting secondary images of other ocnsciousnesses with whom it comes in contact." Session 71, p.241, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"These simple remarks will themselves be the basis for further rather involved discussions, as the mechanisms that are set into motion in such mental or psychic manipulation of matter have never really been explained. Remember however that such psychic manipulation of matter is the normal occurrence. It is however usually operating at subconscious levels, and without either knowledge or intent as far as the conscious mind is concerned. To be able to bring these natural but subconscious forces at all under any domination by the conscious mind is a terrific task. Such domination will never be habitual, but conscious awareness of subconscious manipulation of matter may become habitual, and may often of its own accord follow the desires of the conscious mind, if certain conditions are met. First of all, the conscious desires must be in league with, and unopposed by, subconscious expectations. Two, sufficient emotional impetus must be discharged, and this will be on or from subconscious levels. And three, communication between the conscious and subconscious, or the inner and so-called outer parts of the whole self, must be excellent." Session 81, p.305, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Prayer has been extremely successful in enabling individuals to manipulate matter through use of their psychic abilities." Session 81, p.307, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"There are certain points in time and space, therefore, (again in your terms), that are more conducive than others, where both ideas and matter will more be highly charged. Practically speaking, this means that buildings will last longer, in your context, that ideas wedded to form will be relatively eternal. The pyramids, for example, are a case in point." Session 524, p.64, Seth Speaks

"To make this clearer, look at any table in the room before you. It is physical, solid, and you perceive it easily. Now for an analogy, imagine if you can that behind the table is another just like it, but not quite as physical, and behind that one another, and another behind that -- each one more difficult to perceive, fading into invisibility. And in front of the table is a table just like it, only a bit less physical appearing than the "real" table -- it also having a succession of even less physical tables extending outward. And the same for each side of the table. Now anything that appears in physical terms also exists in other terms that you do not perceive. You only perceive realities when they achieve a certain "pitch", when they seem to coalesce into matter. But they actually exist, and quite validly at other levels." Session 530, p.87, Seth Speaks

"Emotions then, in their own realm unperceived by the outer senses, have their own solidity, shape, and it is from these that your expectations are formed. The emotions indeed do form the expectations, and it is not the other way around. As physical objects can be manipulated, so can the emotions be manipulated, so can they be combined into various shapes and psychic constructions, A man"s expectations are the result of his emotional heritage, and his own ability to understand and manipulate that heritage." Session 76, p. 275, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Again, expectations are not only vital in the formation of physical constructions, but they also determine what inner data of all available, will be received by the individual; and then the individual interprets the data in terms of the same expectations. The core of individuality, then, is the individual"s expectations, for he will truly get what he wants, individually and collectively. If a man wants to change his fate, desire is not enough, but expectation is. Desire may grow into expectation, but alone it is not enough. Expectation is actually the main trigger that switches inner data into the realm of physical construction. Without it, no physical construction results." Session 76, p.276, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Expectation is the force, then, that triggers psychic realities into physical construction." Session 76, p.276, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Expectations are formed by the emotions then, it is obviously the basic emotions themselves that must be manipulated, since the expectations are the frameworks formed by the emotions. This is the starting point" Session 76, p.277, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"Emotional power behind your expectations powers your expectations into physical reality." Session 76, p.278, The Early Sessions, Book 2

"What you call suggestion is indeed expectation." Session 160, p.70, The Early Sessions, Book 4

"...you construct your physical universe and your private environment in line with your inner expectations, for they mirror perfectly the deepest areas of your own inner reality." Session 253, p.114, The Early Sessions, Book 6

"So your soul, that which you are, constructs your physical daily reality for you from the nature of your thoughts and expectations. You can readily see, therefore how important your subjective feelings really are." Session 527, p.79, Seth Speaks

"We have spoken of expectations. These, you see, are electrical realities which may explain their importance; for you not only sometimes predict so called future events, but you create their actuality within the electrical field, and therefore insure their existence one way or another within the physical field." Session 127, p.240, The Early Sessions, Book 3

"If you direct your inner self with confidence to steer you through your physical existence, it will do so. If you concentrate upon difficulties you will not allow it to do so." Session 220, p.189, The Early Sessions, Book 5

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[Spiral]

Glo, that would be too mcuh to type. I hope you can find the material online and cut and paste it.

[Lettuceglo]

I actually did, for this one.. I have many Seth books, and what I put in this forum will vary as to 'found' things and what I find in the books that I think will interest...Surely all that he had to say cannot be found on the net..

[Lettuceglo]

Imagine that you are a small sandy island with
softly graded shores, some palm trees, and a
haven for traveling birds. Pretend further
that you are quite content, though sometimes
lonely. A fine fog encircles you, though it
does not prevent the sun from shining directly
down. You feel quite independent, and you
think of the fog as a kind of cocoon that
gently shields you from the great expanse of
an endless sea.

Then, however, you begin to wonder about the
other islands that you know exist beyond your
vision. Are they like you? Your wondering
forms a tiny window in the fog, and you look
through. Astonished, you discover that a small
coral path unites you with the next island
that is glimpsed, shimmering now through the
ever-growing window in the mist. Who is to say
where you end and the other island begins?

As you wonder, more astonished still, you
discover other coral paths extending from you
in all directions. These lead to further
islands. "They are all me," you think, though
each is very different. One may have no trees
at all, and another be the home of a volcano.
Some may be filled with soft grasses, innocent
of sand.

Now this first island is very clever indeed,
and so it sends its spirit wandering to the
closest counterpart, and says: "You are
myself, but without sand or palm trees." Its
neighbor responds: "I know. You are me without
my towering volcano, ignorant of the
thundering magic of flowing lava, and rather
stupid (emphatically), if the truth be known."

The spirits of the two islands join for a
journey to a third one, and there they
discover a top-heavy land filled to the brim
with strange birds and insects and animals
that neither knew at home. The first island
says to the third: "You are myself, only
unbearably social. How can you stand to
nurture so many different kinds of life?"

The second island-spirit says, also to the
third: "You are myself, only my excitement, my
joy and beauty, are concentrated in the magic
of my volcano, and you instead stand for the
twittering excitement of diverse species-birds
and animals and insects-that flow in far less
grandiose fashion across the slopes of your
uneasy land.

The third island, startled,'replies: "I am
myself, and you must be imperfect versions of
my reality. I would no more be a dull island
of only sand and palm's, or a neurotic
landscape of burning lava, any more than I
would be a snail. My life is far the better,
and you two are only poor shadowy counterparts
of me."

The first island responds, in our hypothetical
dialogue: "I suspect that each of us is quite
correct And more, I wonder if we are really
islands at all."

The second island says: "Suppose my spirit
visits your island for a while, to discover
what it is like to possess palm trees, a few
birds, and a tranquil shore. I will give up my
volcano for a while, and try to make an honest
evaluation, if you will in turn come to my
land and promise to view it without prejudice.

Perhaps then you will understand the great
majesty and explosive power of my exotic
world."

The third island says: "I am myself too busy
for such nonsense. The many species that roam
my domain demand my attention, and if you two
want to exchange your realities that is fine
but leave me out of it, please."

The spirit of the first island visits the
second one, and finds itself amazed. it feels
an ever-thrusting power, rushing up from
beneath, that erupts in always-changing form.
Yet it is always itself, comparing its
experience to what it has known. When the
volcano itself, ceaselessly erupting, wishes
for peace, the spirit of the first island
thinks of its own quiet home shores. The
volcano learns a new lesson: It can direct its
power in whatever way it chooses, shooting
upward or lying quietly. It can indeed be
dormant and dream for centuries. It can, if it
chooses, allow soft sands to he gracefully
upon its cooling expanse.

In the meantime, the spirit of that volcanic
island is visiting the first island, and finds
itself enchanted by the still waters that lap
against the shore, the gentle birds, and the
few palm trees. However, it seems that the
palm trees, and the birds and the sand, have
dreamed for centuries.'

One day a bird flies out further from that
first island than ever before, to another one,
and comes back with a strange seed that falls
from its beak. The seed grows. From it springs
a completely new and unknown species of plant,
as far as the island is concerned; and the
plant in turn brings forth flowers with
pollen, fruits, and scents (Spelled) that have
a different kind of creativity that is still
its own. The spirit of the second island,
then, brings forth elements in the first
island that were not active earlier, but it
becomes homesick, and so it finally returns to
its own land.

What a transformation! Its volcano, it finds,
now gives birth to soil and pollen, its
excitement roused in a million different ways.
it meets the spirit of the first island that
has been living there, and says: "What a
change! I would like a still more spectacular
display. The flowers are not nearly colorful
or wild enough. It is, if you will forgive me,
too well-tamed-yet all in all you've done
wonders. Now, however, I'd like a cultural
interchange with others still unknown; and if
you don't mind I wish you to go home. This is,
after all, me, and my land."

The spirit of Island One says: "I quite
enjoyed my aventure, and I've learned that the
great explosive thrusts of creativity are
good-but, oh, I yearn for my own quiet,
undisturbed shores; and so if you don't care I
think I'll return there." And so it does-to
find a land in some ways transformed. The
sands still lie glittering, but the fog and
mists are gone. The beloved birds have
multiplied, and there is in the old familiar
saneness a new, muted, but delightful refrain,
colon: new species in keeping with the old,
but more vigorous. The spirit of Island One
realizes that it would find the old conditions
quite boring now, and the new alterations fill
it with pleasing excitement and challenge.

What a delightful interchange. For the spirit
is convinced that it definitely improved the
condition of Island Two, and there is no doubt
that the spirit of the second island improved
Island One beyond degree.

In the meantime, Island Threes spirit has been
thinking. The spirits of island one and Two
did not appeal to it (or to him or her in any
of these cases, if you prefer) at all. It was
determined to retain its own identity. Yet it
too has become lonely, and it has seen endless
coral paths reaching out from itself
Its spirit followed one such path and came
upon a desert island upon which nothing grew.
Figuratively, its image was appalled. "How can
you stand such barrenness?" it calls to the
spirit of this fourth island.

That island spirit responds: "Even the vigor
of your questions sickens me. I sense that you
come from a land so overcrowded and tumultuous
that it makes my sands blanch even further,
and the knuckles of my rocks turn white."

Island Three's spirit says: "You are myself,
utterly devoid of feeling-dead and barren."

The spirit of the desert island replies: "I am
myself. You must be some counterpart, drunken
with sensation, not realizing the purity of my
own stripped-down nothingness." The two
confront each other sideways, for neither can
look in the others eyes. What opposites, what
contrasts, what fascinations! So they strike a
bargain. The spirit of the desert island says:
"You are all wrong. I will go to your land and
prove it, and you can stay here and partake of
the joys of 'my peaceful existence-and, I
hope, learn the value of austerity."

So the spirit of Island Four journeys to that
other reality, where all kinds of life swarm
over shore and mountain, and the spirit of the
third island visits a world of such peace that
all motion seems stilled.

What peace! Yet in the peace, what power! And
so little by little cacti grow where there
were none, delicate buds opening, filled with
water. The spirit of the third island
immediately begins to transform the desert
island. Great changes appear, and showers of
power-quick bursts of rain, explosive
inundations of energy.

in the meantime, the spirit of the desert
island is almost overwhelmed by the teeming
life forms on island Three, so next it visits
the volcanic one; and when the volcano becomes
frightened of its own energy the spirit of the
desert island says: "Peace. It is all right to
sleep, all right to dream. You do not need to
be so worried for your energy. it can flow
swiftly, or slowly, in surges of dreams that
take ages. Do as you will."

So the volcano throws its energy into the
formation of still more new species, while the
desert spirit sings its calmness through their
tissues. But this new life confounds it also,
and it yearns to return home to its old
quietude. There the spirit of the third island
has quickened the deserts abilities so that it
blooms with muted flowers not present before.

The two spirits meet. Each island is changed.
"We are counterparts, each of the other, yet
inviolate."
And the spirit of the volcanic island says to
the spirit of the first island. "My volcano
knows, now, how best to use its energy. it can
shoot into the heavens in great displays, or
creep into the tiny crevices of earth, equally
powerful."

And the spirit of the first island responds:
"You have taught my island that life is not
something to be afraid of, though still it is
translated in my own familiar gentle terms."

This is the end of our analogy. The spirit of
each of the four islands was itself intact,
and the interchanges were chosen. You are not
islands unto yourselves, except when you
choose to be. Each counterpart views reality
from its own viewpoint, and there is never any
invasion.

Session 726, The "Unknown" Reality, Volume 2

[Spiral]

I like this one in terms of how we see everything around us.

When I matured spiritually was when I could see things that happened to me were for a purpose and not just random events that passed by. Did I take advantage of them to help somebody, or to learn something, and did these people who flowed in and out of my life come to me as a continuing karmic connection repeating the same themes but in different persons so that I had to pay attention to their behavior or their problems?

I lived in a mobile home I had bought in 1977, in a small town where I taught school from 1976 - 1980. It had a lovely redwood deck with a cherry tree hanging over it that blossomed in the spring. After four years there I had an opportunity to go to another school closer to my family, and I had been worn out and burnt out in this school I'd been at from being assigned too many extra cirricular activites that took too many hours outside of school.

So I put my mobile home up for sale in March when I resigned, and by mid summer the only offer was from a couple whose home had been damaged in a tornado near that town in May. But he was under the thumb of his uncle that he worked for and who dominated their lives, and even though he owed this nephew some back pay and help, he refused to give him the help with the down payment he needed to finanace my trailer. People in town told me how much real estate this uncle owned and how he wanted to keep his nephew from being independent.

One day it just occurred to me that I was this couple's only hope to be free, and so I told them if they would take over the payments, I would co-sign with them at the bank to buy my home, no money involved. They cried when I told them, and the bank allowed us to do that, as I had been impressed with their sincerity and hard working ethics, and I just walked away from a possible sale and never looked back. They paid it off. Those small town people there lived in the same town all of their lives, as their parents had. It is an amazing part of small town America that people do that, as I have found in every country community where I have taught.

I could have kept that place and rented it to others for income the rest of my life. But it just occurred to me at that time to let it go, and it was a big lesson that helped free me from material priorities over spiritual ones. An amazing feeling.

What Seth material says to me frequently is to see each other as part of our own path. We are not an island unto ourselves grabbing as much as we can.

I didn't think of that incident again for many years, but when my house burned down in 1995 and I lost everything, I had no clothes or furniture, three of my dogs had been killed, and I had a chemical smoke fumes burn on my neck trying to get them out of the house , the small town where I taught then and my fellow schoolteachers came forward and gave me the things I needed, including a small downpayment on a modest house where I lived in for 12 years and had the joy of fixing up myself. The real estate agent said to me when I bought it at a much lower price than she thought I would have to pay, "You must have helped someone along the way to get all of this", and I was stopped in my tracks remembering the mobile home I gave that couple almost twenty years before.

Interconnections. Like a web reaching back to others we have known.

[Lettuceglo]

Great story, Spiral...I got chills reading it.. especially the last part. What we give, we receive, sooner or later...good OR bad..

[Spiral]

Glo, after I wrote this yesterday, which I had not thought about for a long time, then another memory came popping up about it. This was a proud hard working man in that couple I signed over the mobile home to, and he was very quiet and serious while we were signing the papers at the bank. When he and I were walking out of the bank, he gave me an envelope full of a couple hundred dollars, embarrassed to give it to me but pleading in his eyes to save a little of his dignity, and I was so happy to receive it and hugged him. I don't know where he could have got that money from and of course did not ask if he could really afford it. I just took it, and we parted forever.

My sisters always laughed at me and said I like to live life as a great dramatic movie, and I know they are right.

I know of some people full of their own do-good who would not have taken that money, but it would have hurt his feelings if I didn't, and make him feel I was giving them charity, which I wasn't. I just wanted to be free of that town and that home and the responsibilities connected to them. Close that chapter and move on, as I always have. Nothing to brag about. I'm basically selfish and just want to be left alone to go my own way.

AS SELFISH AS I AM BEING NOW. I'M SO SORRY TO PUSH MY WAY INTO THIS THREAD. UGH.

[Montauk Mary]

Glo, I am so glad that you thought to put this material here!! I love it so much!! The SETH Material and the COURSE IN MIRACLES Changed how I thought and felt about LIFE !!! Maybe I will document some of The COURSE IN MIRACLES for everyone!!(sometime)
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"Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God. " The Course In Miracles